Achilles, you may want to do some research into them. Back several months ago after I got the trash from them I looked around. I found a lot of accusations of not only scamming but credit card fraud and rumors that they were MP under a new name. You know how rumors on the net are though. After my last order I'll never try them again. I've always preached that everyone should use pharmaceutical grade ancillaries, and I should have taken my own advice.